Thoughts on the LOST finale?

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Re: Thoughts on the LOST finale?

Post by dreamachine » Tue May 25, 2010 12:40 am

Devvil wrote:So now that its finally over...

I have some questions since I have become LOST around season 3

What the hell is the smoke monster

And what is the plot from season 3 onwards

thank you
the smoke monster is what happens when evil taints the heart of the island. it was released because jacob killed his brother and threw him down the mystery hole at the centre of the island. MiB had just killed their 'mother' in anger because she stopped him from leaving the island and its his anger and the need to leave the island stay with the monster no matter whose form it takes.

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the plot of the 1st 5 series is all to do with time travel and how MiB/smokie hatched his plan to manulate everyone so he could kill Jacob to escape the island.

in 2004, flight 815 crashes because desmond didnt push the button in the hatch. then widmore [an ex leader of the others] starts a war over control of the island. linus has to turn the magic wheel to start shifting the island through time and space to stop widmore from killing everyone. jack and a few others manage to leave the island to become the oceanic 6. while sawyer and everyone else on the island are spinning through time because of what linus did. locke turns the wheel again to stop it and ends up off island to try and bring everyone back.
sawyer and co are stuck in 1974 and join the dharma initiative for 3 years. jack and everyone come back and him and the rest of the candidates [more on this later] end up in 1977. while the island was hurtling thru time, a scientist, daniel faraday [who came with widmore's people] finds an unexploded hydrogen bomb on the island and tells the others to bury it, this is in or around the 1950's.
when jack meets up with everyone else stuck in 1977 they start a plan to detonate the nuke at the site of the pearl station [where the button and the electromagnetic anomaly was], thinking that they can change the future, which is actually their past, so that the plane never crashes on the island. but all they end up doing in completing the timeloop. this alternate timeline coincides with locke/smokie getting linus to kill jacob, which he needs to do to leave the island.

in short, they have to go back in time, to set off the nuke to create the anomaly which needs the button to be pushed every 108 minutes, then they need desmond to not push it, so they crash on the island, so they can go back in time to try and not crash on the island by blowing up a nuke.

in series 6, everyone jumps to the present, 2009/2010[?], still on the island, tho there appears to be an alternate universe where the plane doesnt crash. the smoke monster takes the form of john locke the current leader of the others, [who was murdered off island by linus, but its the killing of real locke that gets everyone to go back to the island], and manipulates ben into killing jacob so he can leave the island. the reason everyone is linked together, is because jacob manipulated their lives into getting them all on that plane, because there are all candidates to replace him and protect the island.
widmore comes back with desmond, who has a great resistance to electromagnetism and plans to use him as a weapon against MiB/smokie. locke has to get the candidates to kill each other because of some rules jacob put in place on them, and manages to get sayid, jin and sun killed while they're trying to escape on a sub. lapedis also 'dies'
at this point jack realises that he's on the island for a reason and volunteers to protect the island from locke/smokie/MiB. jack, locke and desmond go to the heart of the island, where jacob threw his brother [MiB] down a hole, which turned him into the smoke monster. they lower desmond down who removes a stone from the centre of a wellspring, which causes the island to start crumbling and falling apart, but it also makes the monster human and jack and locke have an epic knife fight and jack gets tabbed in the side. it looks like locke is gonna stab jack in the throat, but kate comes along and shoots him, utterly ruining 6 series of awesome. jack then kicks him off a cliff where desmonds boat is waiting. at the same time miles, richard and lapedis [who isnt dead] are fixing the plane trying to get off before the island is destroyed. kate and sawyer find claire and jump on board.
linus, jack and hurley go back to the heart of the island and lower jack down, who makes hurley the new jacob/protector of the island. jack put the stone plug back in the ground and the island stops falling apart, the light and the water come back to the wellspring. jack ends up washed up outside the cave, collapses on the floor of the bamboo forest he 1st woke up in & sees the plane leaving overhead. vincent [the dog] turns up in the most manly tear moment ever witness and lays down with jack while he dies.

also in series 6, is the alt-verse, where we see flight 815 land safely, with the island sunk at the bottom of the ocean. its made to make you think that when the nuke went off in 77 it created 2 timelines, 1 where they crash on the island and 1 where there is no island left to crash on. abut halfway through Se06 on the island, widmore electromagnifies desmond 1 more time, after he and locke didnt press the button back in Se02, he could see the past, present and future all as 1, and knew what actions he had to do to change the future. now he can see both universes/timelines and starts altering peoples actions and outcomes in the alt-verse, gathering them all together and making them realise their other life on the island together. he even manages to get christians [jacks dead dad] coffin delivared to the church where he's gathered everyone [with the help of hurley who can also see everything in the other universe while no-one else can]. there jack opens the coffin to reveal it was always empty. then christian shows up behind him and tell jack that they all died, and they made a place where they could all be together 1 more time. its a bit jacobs ladder [and i believe they made that an intentional pun] but it works

hope that made at least some sense to the people who havent seen L O S T [tho shame on you for not watching]. i didnt bother going into every little detail, becuase then we would've been here forever and im assuming you know who most of the people on the show are.

EDIT just added this, goes over some of the stuff ive wrote above, but is more series specific instead of just the general plot

series summary:
1 - flight 815 crashes. everyone has to survive because no-one off island knows where they are. finalé: the others turn up, kidnap Waaaaaaaaaaaaalt while sawyer, jin, walt and michael are trying leave on a raft. locke and jack blow the hatch door open

2 - start with the the finding of the hatch and the button & war with the others, ultimately ending with michael [walts dad] murdering 2 people and releasing the captured henry gale [who is really the leader of the others]. michael then leads hurley, jack, kate and sawyer into a trap and they get captured. hurley is released tho. the people in the tail section of the plane meet up with the rest, locke convinces desmond to not push the button, electromagnetism goes through the roof and desmond has to turn a fail safe to discharge the electromagnetism, making him see the future!

3 - get jack, kate and sawyer rescuded from the others. locke leaves the losties to join the others to become their leader. help & rescue is apparently on the way. everyone leaves to be rescued but it turns out to be charles widmore, an ex-other, hellbent on destroying and killing everyone in revenge for being exiled by ben linus. desmond has premonitions of charlie dying [the 1st of his future seeing escapades] finalé: 1st of the flashfowards where jeremy bentham dies, causing jack to lose control. charlie dies finding out that the freighter here to help them, isn't here to help them. war with the others reaches a new height, with most of the others killed.

4 - war between widmores people, the losties and the others. flash forwards show us what the people who end up off island get upto in their 'normal' lives. ben's daughter is murdered and he vows to kill widmores daughter [who just happens to be in love with desmond] in revenge. widmores people bring with them lapedis, miles, charlotte and faraday. we see the oceanic 6 flown off island. ben turns the wheel that causes the island to skip through time.

5 - the people left on the island skip through time until locke turns the wheel again, during that time they encounter the others and a undetonated nuke back in the 1950's or so. after locke turns the wheel sawyer and co end up in 1974 and join the dharma initiative for 3 years and everyone off island leads the lives we've seen in the flashforwards of Se03 & Se04 before linus kills locke, which causes jack to get the others to come back to the island. jack and co end up in 1977 and also join the DI. faraday being the scientist of the group comes up with a plan to blow the nuke he found in the 1950's to try and alter time. but he gets shot by his own mother, who herself was controlling him to do everything he does knowing that she killed him in her past, his future. they find the nuke and blow it up at the site of the pearl hatch where the button was, hoping that they can change the future, which is actually their past. fake locke convinces linus to kill jacob.

6 - we find out that locke is really dead and hasnt magically come back to life and that this locke is actually the smoke monster who has manipulated everyone into getting linus to kill jacob. we also learn more about jacob and the MiB's past and about the candidates and how they need someone to replace jacob and protect the island, everything else related to Se06 is up there ^^^.


i will also try and answer any other questions you have, hopefully NOT in essay form :lol:
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Re: Thoughts on the LOST finale?

Post by heavy_the_hobbit » Tue May 25, 2010 12:56 am

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Re: Thoughts on the LOST finale?

Post by S.COREA » Tue May 25, 2010 1:13 am

I think the smoke monster came about bc the man in black had darkness in his heart. When he came into close proximity with the "light" it made the darkness darker.

To rip off Kingdom Hearts: "The closer you get to light, the greater your shadow becomes."

The actors/writes seemed to hint that the smoke monster and man in black/flocke were the same person, but maybe separate? You never see Flocke transform into or out of smoke monster, but that the smoke monster is sort of the man in blacks soul (Terry from JKL).

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Re: Thoughts on the LOST finale?

Post by M0RPH » Tue May 25, 2010 1:36 am

I watched up to season 5 until I just had to throw in the towel, the plot is so retarded at times.
IMO season 1-3 were utterly brilliant, group of stranded westerners stuck on a tropical island fighting for survival against almost eveything. Wow, surely you couldnt spoil that?!.
4-5 just rubbed me up the wrong way so to speak, every episode left me feeling smug, knowing that there would be some ridiculous twist that only furthered the ''WTF Factor'' (I'm considering copy-righting that) although i enjoyed the new characters that were introduced and their storylines.(Faraday primarily)
I'll get round to watching the sixth series just so I can fully understand the outcome(or lack of it) in my own way. Anyone else feel similar?
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Re: Thoughts on the LOST finale?

Post by Devvil » Tue May 25, 2010 2:25 am

thanks for that dreamachine

what happened to walt in amidst of all this?
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Re: Thoughts on the LOST finale?

Post by dreamachine » Tue May 25, 2010 2:48 am

i know the actor who played walt got wrote out because he grew too fast. probs why he wasnt in the finalé either, cant have a 18 yr old kid playing a 10 yr old now can ya?

but walt the character, got kidnapped at the end of Se01, & rescued by his dad, michael, at the end of 2. in series 3 when ben takes locke to go see jacob [aka an empty chair], he shoots locke and leaves him in a pit full of dead dharma people. walt shows up and tells locke he still has work to do, guessing that's something to do with his special powers they talked about in series 1 & 2.
then michael comes back to the island on widmores ship [which blows up, killing him]. when locke turns the wheel and goes off island he meets up with walt for a chat because they're friends and then flat out lies that his dad is ok, and that was the last we saw of him.
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Post by M0RPH » Tue May 25, 2010 2:56 am

Walt also went to meet Hurley in the mental asylum not long after Lockes visit. As Dreamachine said Walt is under the assumption that his father is still alive on the island, sadly he's not :'(

Edit - What's happened to Walts dog, it's been a while since I've watched any Lost.
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Post by dreamachine » Tue May 25, 2010 4:12 am

M0RPH wrote:Walt also went to meet Hurley in the mental asylum not long after Lockes visit. As Dreamachine said Walt is under the assumption that his father is still alive on the island, sadly he's not :'(

Edit - What's happened to Walts dog, it's been a while since I've watched any Lost.
i forgot about that morph, thanks
vincent's still alive, you dont see him til the finalé tho
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Re: Thoughts on the LOST finale?

Post by m.tt » Tue May 25, 2010 6:58 am

I feel somewhat disappointed, not so much about the finale but now that it is over so much of the
earlier series feels pointless. Like the entire Mr. Eko storyline that play no further part or contribution.
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Re: Thoughts on the LOST finale?

Post by S.COREA » Tue May 25, 2010 8:06 am

Walt, they knew their plan, and they knew he was going to grow. That wasn't like something that surprised him.

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I don't think its fair to call them "westerners" either. That's one of the beauties of lost, and one of its core themes, all kinds of different people, trying to find ways to live together.

You had Coreans, Austrailians, UK, Iraq?, Chinese, African, Canadians, etc.

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I think the last time we really saw Vincent was like Season 4 when the freighter came in. Ever since Rose and Bernard went all solo, you haven't seen him bc he was with them. There's something special about Vincent, some people have speculated that Jacob took the body, much like the smoke monster took over Christians body. You see Vincent in the beginning right when Jack wakes up, and again right away as they march off to find the nose of the plane. And then again in the end. At the very least, Vincent seems to have some sort of importance.

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